Discussion:
Germino "Masonette" 1x12 25 watt combo - preliminary review
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Odin
2003-09-25 23:19:57 UTC
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First, let me commend Stu and Mike at Fat Sound Guitars (
http://www.fatsoundguitars.com/ ) for their excellent customer service.
They were friendly, helpful and prompt in every aspect of the sale. Their
prices are competitive (much lower than MSRP and comparable to anyone else
online) and their customer service exceeds most others from what I've seen.

The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and
inspected it. Being that it was shipped via UPS, I was looking for damage.
Being that it was shipped via UPS, I found damage. The amplifier chassis
mounts to the back panel with 4 bolts, and the back panel mounts to the
cabinet with 4 wood screws. The amp had been handled in a manner so as to
cause one of the screws holding the back panel (which supports the chassis)
to strip out of the wood where it mounts to the cabinet. This caused the
chassis to be sagging in one spot. I removed the back panel, checked
everything out and reinstalled it. Everything is fine now, although I
should probably add 2 more screws to the back panel to offer additional
support to the chassis. I would prefer to see the chassis supported through
the cabinet top (like a blackface Fender) but it's done like a Vox with the
tubes horizontal. There are arguments for mounting the tubes horizontal and
it's not a big deal, but I think I'll reinforce the chassis mounting.

The fit and finish of the cabinet is excellent. The chassis wiring is
excellent as well. The beauty of a single channel PTP amp like this is that
it is so simple and easy to work on in the unlikely event it ever needs
working on. The components all appear to be high quality and everything is
neatly and securely built.

The controls are basic "plexi" Marshall: Inputs 1 (Hi & LO), Inputs 2
(HI & LO), Normal Loudness, Hi Treble Loudness, Treble, Middle, Bass,
Presence, square "plexi style" red indicator lamp, Standby Switch and Mains
Switch. There is an impedance selector on the underside of the chassis
(4-8-16 Ohms) and 2 speaker inputs. This is obviously the same chassis as
used in the head. The single Celestion G12M (25 watt "greenback") speaker
has a high quality phone plug to connect to the amp. Greg Germino also
included a "jumper" cable made from George L cable with brass connectors to
bridge the channels of the amp. Electro Harmonix tubes.

I fired up the amp, let it get warm and tuned the PRS. Plugged in and
hit the standby switch. My initial impression was that this amp is LOUD.
However, and this is a good thing, all 4 inputs are usable. On a "real"
plexi Marshall the bright input is way too bright and the normal input is
way too muffled and muddy. The Germino is playable into any of the 4
inputs, each sounding a bit different from the others. I bridged the inputs
and plugged into the hi bright input. The amp is very "plexi Marshall"
sounding, which is surprising because it uses 6V6 power tubes. It breaks up
fairly early on the volume knob (around 4) and is very overdriven above 6.
Anything over 8 is too much, and I preferred the volumes on both channels
around 4-6. As with any plexi style amp the 2 volume controls are
interactive. All of the tone controls are also usable, something I can't
say for most "real" Marshall plexi amps. Marshalls controls tend to go from
0-10 with nothing in-between, especially the volume knobs. All controls are
very gradual and usable.

How does it sound? Like a plexi Marshall. Is that good? Yes. And no.
Yes, in that I want a "cranked plexi" sound, but something that I always
struggled with in the older Marshalls is also present here. That is the
"harshness" or brightness that a plexi tends to exhibit when it's cranked
up. I tend to dial in my amps a bit on the dark side and when I listen back
to gig recordings or go out in the audience with the wireless I realize that
I'm lacking some much needed bite in my sound. This amp has got "bite".
I'm not used to it, so I'll have to tweak the controls a bit at the gigs
this weekend to see what I can find. Also, you don't need to run much bass
on this amp because it tends to muddy the sound. It will go from
scream/grind to Marshall clean (not Fender clean) with the volume knob.

The Celestion G12M speaker isn't "broken in" and it shows. These
speakers always sound sweeter when they've been played a bit IMO and I
expect this one to settle in some after this weekend of playing.

I can see where one could easily use nothing but this amp and a guitar
to gig with, no effects, but I wanted to try my pedals through the amp.
Since the amp is already fairly overdriven at gig volumes the Fulldrive II
didn't make a huge difference in gain. The boost feature of the FD2 added
plenty of compression and gain, too much for anything but leads (which is
all I use the boost for). My Fat Boost is the early version designed for
single coils so I rarely use it with the PRS. The new Fat Boost has more
clean boost for humbuckers. The Dyna Comp really works well into this amp
creating endless feedback at will and smooth lead tones. The Germino seems
to take to pedals better than the Dr Z in that the pedals become a part of
the sound with the Germino. With the Dr Z the pedals always seem to color
the sound and seem like they're "on top" of the amp's sound. This might be
due to the fact that the Dr Z is a cleaner sounding amp with less gain. The
Fulldrive II sounds very good with the Germino Masonette, very transparent
and natural.

As a final test I plugged in the Dr Z Maz 38 Senior 2x10 next to the
Germino Masonette 1x12 and hooked them up to an A/B/Y switch. The tonal
difference between the Dr Z and the Germino are startling. The Maz 38 is
much smoother and cleaner while the Masonette is very aggressive and
crunchy. This amp makes me think the Dr Z is closer to a Vox than to a
Fender, although the Maz is not very Vox-like IMO. But the Germino is
definitely got the classic Marshall sound. I didn't care for both amps on
at the same time. I don't know that I want to lug both amps to gigs, so I'm
not certain what I'll do at this point. I really need to gig the Germino a
couple of times to get a feel for it (you can't tell much playing alone at
home). If I use the Germino live I may need an attenuator or an overdrive
pedal, because, yes it's that loud.

A review of the amp's performance with the band will follow after this
weekend's gigs.

Oh yeah, it smells like a Marshall or Vox. My Dr Z smells a little like
a Vox. Nothing smells like a Fender except a Fender. I don't know what it
is that causes certain tube amps to have a peculiar smell, but they each
have their own smell once you get the tubes cooking.
Odin
2003-09-26 01:31:09 UTC
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The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't weighed
it on a postal scale yet.

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Atlas
2003-09-26 05:13:54 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:31:09 GMT, "Odin"
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't weighed
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
That's quite a nice little group you've got there.



Atlas
--

No, Polfus, it doesn't. Saying that "growth rings
give rise to figure" is like saying that,
"Baking bread gives rise to a good roast
beef sandwich, with just a little mustard."

- Dan Stanley
Odin
2003-09-26 04:21:23 UTC
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Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't weighed
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
That's quite a nice little group you've got there.
Thank you, thank you very much. Tomorrow night will be the test for the
Germino. Although we can't really play loud at this weekend's gigs so I'll
have to bring the plexi shield.
Nobody
2003-09-26 04:50:59 UTC
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Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't weighed
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
How much do those guitars weigh anyway...especially the G&L with the f-hole?

You should check..takes just a minute.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Odin
2003-09-26 23:36:15 UTC
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Post by Nobody
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't weighed
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
How much do those guitars weigh anyway...especially the G&L with the f-hole?
You should check..takes just a minute.
Using my trusty digital Berkley bass scale (which weighs in 10ths of a
pound, not in pounds and ounces) they weigh the following:

G&L ASAT Classic 6.1 lbs
PRS CU22 7.6 lbs
G&L ASAT Z3 8.4 lbs

The Z3 is really heavy ash, it's a real anchor. Plays and sounds great but
I prefer something a bit lighter.
Nobody
2003-09-27 07:12:30 UTC
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Post by Odin
Post by Nobody
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't
weighed
Post by Nobody
Post by Odin
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
How much do those guitars weigh anyway...especially the G&L with the
f-hole?
Post by Nobody
You should check..takes just a minute.
Using my trusty digital Berkley bass scale (which weighs in 10ths of a
G&L ASAT Classic 6.1 lbs
PRS CU22 7.6 lbs
G&L ASAT Z3 8.4 lbs
The Z3 is really heavy ash, it's a real anchor. Plays and sounds great but
I prefer something a bit lighter.
Wow...6.1 for the ASAT?

That is super light...comfy I bet for a long time standing strapped on.

And the PRS is pretty light too at 7.6...about the same weight as my Les Paul ( yours is a little lighter ).

Nice gear, BTW.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Odin
2003-09-27 08:51:06 UTC
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Post by Nobody
Post by Odin
Post by Nobody
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't
weighed
Post by Nobody
Post by Odin
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
How much do those guitars weigh anyway...especially the G&L with the
f-hole?
Post by Nobody
You should check..takes just a minute.
Using my trusty digital Berkley bass scale (which weighs in 10ths of a
G&L ASAT Classic 6.1 lbs
PRS CU22 7.6 lbs
G&L ASAT Z3 8.4 lbs
The Z3 is really heavy ash, it's a real anchor. Plays and sounds great but
I prefer something a bit lighter.
Wow...6.1 for the ASAT?
That is super light...comfy I bet for a long time standing strapped on.
It's almost too light, in that the nek is about the same weight as the body
when it's strapped on. It's very balanced, but a little less weight in the
body and it would be neck heavy, which would be odd. It is comfortable for
gigs, although I haven't gigged it in ages ever since I got used to
humbuckers.
Post by Nobody
And the PRS is pretty light too at 7.6...about the same weight as my Les
Paul ( yours is a little lighter ).

I was shocked at how light PRS guitars were when I first shopped around for
one. The body of a PRS is definitely thinner than a Les Paul, and they have
cutaways on the back, so there's less wood there. It's extremely
comfortable to play all night.

The ASAT Z3 is a real anvil compared to my other gigging guitars, but I
played it for most of the night tonight and it really didsn't seem heavy.
Post by Nobody
Nice gear, BTW.
Thanks, I think I'm done with the new gear stuff for a while (unless Jack
wants to give me that amp he's got up for trade), I gotta stop spending
money on things I don't need. Although I still don't have a Les Paul, but
both of my brothers have LP's so I can play one whenever I get the urge.
Zorro_2K
2003-09-26 17:22:08 UTC
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Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff. I haven't weighed
it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
....gives me a boner !
Odin
2003-09-26 18:07:59 UTC
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Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff.
I haven't
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
weighed it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
....gives me a boner !
What, the postal scale?

Damn, I should have covered up my knob settings so Polfus
wouldn't be able to steal my mojo.
Zorro_2K
2003-09-27 14:42:56 UTC
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Post by Odin
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
The Germino posing with the new ASAT Z3 and other stuff.
I haven't
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
weighed it on a postal scale yet.
http://home1.gte.net/res0jmoj/gear.jpg
....gives me a boner !
What, the postal scale?
Damn, I should have covered up my knob settings so Polfus
wouldn't be able to steal my mojo.
LOL..he's probably up in his room whispering to his Subway Rocket amp:
"My precious, my precious....."
Atlas
2003-09-26 05:20:03 UTC
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:19:57 GMT, "Odin"
Post by Odin
How does it sound? Like a plexi Marshall. Is that good? Yes. And no.
Yes, in that I want a "cranked plexi" sound, but something that I always
struggled with in the older Marshalls is also present here. That is the
"harshness" or brightness that a plexi tends to exhibit when it's cranked
up. I tend to dial in my amps a bit on the dark side and when I listen back
to gig recordings or go out in the audience with the wireless I realize that
I'm lacking some much needed bite in my sound. This amp has got "bite".
I'm not used to it, so I'll have to tweak the controls a bit at the gigs
this weekend to see what I can find. Also, you don't need to run much bass
on this amp because it tends to muddy the sound. It will go from
scream/grind to Marshall clean (not Fender clean) with the volume knob.
Congrats on the new toy! Having owned a plexi Marshall type
amp (THD Plexi-Reverb head), I *completely* understand where you're
coming from with your comments.

It's an awesome sound. A stupendous sound. And, if I was
playing in a rock-n-roll band, where I was able to crank up a toob amp
that's exactly the type of amp I'd want/need.

However, I'm not playing out...and I need the ability to get a
great lead tone at bedroom volumes (hence the 10 watt solid state amp
I'm playing through).

Even when I was playing - at rehearsals...that THD was too
loud (meaning I was not able to get a great distortion tone out of it,
at manageable levels). That is, unless I ran a distortion pedal into
it. And that's kind of defeating the entire purpose of buying a
hand-build non-master volume, tube amp.



Atlas
--

No, Polfus, it doesn't. Saying that "growth rings
give rise to figure" is like saying that,
"Baking bread gives rise to a good roast
beef sandwich, with just a little mustard."

- Dan Stanley
Odin
2003-09-26 04:24:27 UTC
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Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
How does it sound? Like a plexi Marshall. Is that good? Yes. And no.
Yes, in that I want a "cranked plexi" sound, but something that I always
struggled with in the older Marshalls is also present here. That is the
"harshness" or brightness that a plexi tends to exhibit when it's cranked
up. I tend to dial in my amps a bit on the dark side and when I listen back
to gig recordings or go out in the audience with the wireless I realize that
I'm lacking some much needed bite in my sound. This amp has got "bite".
I'm not used to it, so I'll have to tweak the controls a bit at the gigs
this weekend to see what I can find. Also, you don't need to run much bass
on this amp because it tends to muddy the sound. It will go from
scream/grind to Marshall clean (not Fender clean) with the volume knob.
Congrats on the new toy! Having owned a plexi Marshall type
amp (THD Plexi-Reverb head), I *completely* understand where you're
coming from with your comments.
It's an awesome sound. A stupendous sound. And, if I was
playing in a rock-n-roll band, where I was able to crank up a toob amp
that's exactly the type of amp I'd want/need.
However, I'm not playing out...and I need the ability to get a
great lead tone at bedroom volumes (hence the 10 watt solid state amp
I'm playing through).
Even when I was playing - at rehearsals...that THD was too
loud (meaning I was not able to get a great distortion tone out of it,
at manageable levels). That is, unless I ran a distortion pedal into
it. And that's kind of defeating the entire purpose of buying a
hand-build non-master volume, tube amp.
Have you checked out the THD UniValve? I'd think you could get some cool
tones at a lower volume level with that amp. I'll say this, the Germino's
25 watts is damn near as loud as a 100 watt head. It's really difficult to
"tame" a non-master volume tube amp. But then why would you want to tame
that sound? We need bigger clubs and bigger stages.
Atlas
2003-09-26 07:23:21 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:24:27 GMT, "Odin"
Post by Odin
Have you checked out the THD UniValve? I'd think you could get some cool
tones at a lower volume level with that amp. I'll say this, the Germino's
25 watts is damn near as loud as a 100 watt head. It's really difficult to
"tame" a non-master volume tube amp. But then why would you want to tame
that sound? We need bigger clubs and bigger stages.
I've never played through a UniValve. It seems like a pretty
cool little toy.

You're right, it's hard to tame a non-master amp. Which is
why I'll probably never own one again. If I ever buy a upper scale
amp again, it'll prolly be along the lines of a Soldano, Bogner, or
Rivera.



Atlas
--

No, Polfus, it doesn't. Saying that "growth rings
give rise to figure" is like saying that,
"Baking bread gives rise to a good roast
beef sandwich, with just a little mustard."

- Dan Stanley
Odin
2003-09-26 16:45:47 UTC
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Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
Have you checked out the THD UniValve? I'd think you
could get some cool
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
tones at a lower volume level with that amp. I'll say
this, the Germino's
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
25 watts is damn near as loud as a 100 watt head. It's
really difficult to
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
"tame" a non-master volume tube amp. But then why would
you want to tame
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
that sound? We need bigger clubs and bigger stages.
I've never played through a UniValve. It seems like a
pretty
Post by Atlas
cool little toy.
You're right, it's hard to tame a non-master amp. Which
is
Post by Atlas
why I'll probably never own one again. If I ever buy a
upper scale
Post by Atlas
amp again, it'll prolly be along the lines of a Soldano,
Bogner, or
Post by Atlas
Rivera.
I played through a Soldano combo (big, maybe a 4x10) that
had a lot of knobs, probably a 2 channel amp. It belongs to
a guy who runs a local blues jam and I played through his
rig one night at the jam. That was one great sounding amp.
I wish I knew what it was, it was an older amp I think.

I've played through all sorts of Bogner amps and I've never
walked away impressed. I'm underwhelmed by everything
Bogner makes.

Rivera does make some cool amps and I think the R55-12 is a
great value.
Me and only Me
2003-09-27 00:02:18 UTC
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I have to agree with you on the Bogners. A local dealer has a few different
models and I really don't care for them at all.

Rick
Post by Odin
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
Have you checked out the THD UniValve? I'd think you
could get some cool
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
tones at a lower volume level with that amp. I'll say
this, the Germino's
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
25 watts is damn near as loud as a 100 watt head. It's
really difficult to
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
"tame" a non-master volume tube amp. But then why would
you want to tame
Post by Atlas
Post by Odin
that sound? We need bigger clubs and bigger stages.
I've never played through a UniValve. It seems like a
pretty
Post by Atlas
cool little toy.
You're right, it's hard to tame a non-master amp. Which
is
Post by Atlas
why I'll probably never own one again. If I ever buy a
upper scale
Post by Atlas
amp again, it'll prolly be along the lines of a Soldano,
Bogner, or
Post by Atlas
Rivera.
I played through a Soldano combo (big, maybe a 4x10) that
had a lot of knobs, probably a 2 channel amp. It belongs to
a guy who runs a local blues jam and I played through his
rig one night at the jam. That was one great sounding amp.
I wish I knew what it was, it was an older amp I think.
I've played through all sorts of Bogner amps and I've never
walked away impressed. I'm underwhelmed by everything
Bogner makes.
Rivera does make some cool amps and I think the R55-12 is a
great value.
Nobody
2003-09-27 07:16:23 UTC
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I have to agree with you on the Bogners. A local dealer has a few different
models and I really don't care for them at all.
Rick
I'm with you fellas...Bogners don't do it for me wither, though I have not played the Ubershall thing.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Odin
2003-09-27 08:53:25 UTC
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Post by Me and only Me
I have to agree with you on the Bogners. A local dealer has a few different
models and I really don't care for them at all.
Rick
I'm with you fellas...Bogners don't do it for me wither, though I have not
played the Ubershall thing.

I haven't played an Uberschall so I can't comment on it, but of the
Bogner's I've tried I have just not been impressed. They all have one nice
channel that's no nicer than anything else out there in high-end amps and
one channel that leaves me wondering why it's even there. And they sounded
a little "generic" and bland to me. Nice amps, but in that price range I
can find a dozen other amps that I like better.
Ross M Stites
2003-09-27 21:55:15 UTC
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Post by Nobody
I'm with you fellas...Bogners don't do it for me wither, though I have not played the Ubershall thing.
I've spent a fair amount of time with the Shiva and Uberschall. I just
don't get the Shiva. It has a great clean sound that doesn't stay clean
above bedroom levels, and a super compressed lead sound that doesn't get
any balls until gig volumes. I can't figure out the disparity between the
two channels and what it's designed for: great cleans for the bedroom
player, but you need a pedal for leads, or good leads for the club player
but no cleans...

The Uberschall does what it does, very well. I suspect you'd like it,
Jason, because what it does is great heavy rhythms with a nice clean (at
any volume). The leads off the heavy channel are also nice, but it's
realy strength is heavy rhythms. Don't expect it to do anything else
though.

I've only played the famed XTC once and found it a bit disappointing, but
I do know that it has a million set-and-forget switches that I didn't mess
with so I may like one with some significant time.

Ross
Atlas
2003-09-28 00:00:37 UTC
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Post by Ross M Stites
I've only played the famed XTC once and found it a bit disappointing, but
I do know that it has a million set-and-forget switches that I didn't mess
with so I may like one with some significant time.
The Extacy head is the one I'm familiar with. It sounded
absolutely killer. I guess we all have our own individual tastes.



Atlas
--

No, Polfus, it doesn't. Saying that "growth rings
give rise to figure" is like saying that,
"Baking bread gives rise to a good roast
beef sandwich, with just a little mustard."

- Dan Stanley
Nobody
2003-09-28 01:42:55 UTC
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Post by Ross M Stites
Post by Nobody
I'm with you fellas...Bogners don't do it for me wither, though I have not played the Ubershall thing.
I've spent a fair amount of time with the Shiva and Uberschall.
Cool..lay it on me, brother.
Post by Ross M Stites
I just don't get the Shiva. It has a great clean sound that doesn't stay clean
above bedroom levels, and a super compressed lead sound that doesn't get
any balls until gig volumes. I can't figure out the disparity between the
two channels and what it's designed for: great cleans for the bedroom
player, but you need a pedal for leads, or good leads for the club player
but no cleans...
The Uberschall does what it does, very well. I suspect you'd like it,
Jason, because what it does is great heavy rhythms with a nice clean (at
any volume). The leads off the heavy channel are also nice, but it's
realy strength is heavy rhythms. Don't expect it to do anything else
though.
I would love to try it out, really...I bet it must be louder than hell, though.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Ross M Stites
2003-09-28 03:23:42 UTC
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Post by Ross M Stites
The Uberschall does what it does, very well. I suspect you'd like it,
Jason, because what it does is great heavy rhythms with a nice clean (at
any volume). The leads off the heavy channel are also nice, but it's
realy strength is heavy rhythms. Don't expect it to do anything else
though.
I would love to try it out, really...I bet it must be louder than hell, though.
It is a 100 W head, so it can definitely be loud. It sounds very good at
low volumes too. It's a high gain preamp sound, so doesn't suffer as much
at low volumes as many amps.

Ross
John S. Shinal
2003-09-26 20:18:10 UTC
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You're right, it's hard to tame a non-master amp. Which is
why I'll probably never own one again.
Rack gear. Come to The Dark Side.

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howldog
2003-09-26 20:30:34 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:18:10 GMT,
Post by John S. Shinal
Rack gear. Come to The Dark Side.
he's a chiropractor.

probably familiar with all forms of back pain, and their prevention.
Mike McKernan
2003-09-26 11:42:14 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:24:27 GMT, "Odin"
Post by Odin
Have you checked out the THD UniValve? I'd think you could get some cool
tones at a lower volume level with that amp. I'll say this, the Germino's
25 watts is damn near as loud as a 100 watt head. It's really difficult to
"tame" a non-master volume tube amp. But then why would you want to tame
that sound? We need bigger clubs and bigger stages.
Boy, I'll say. Every time I see a band out lately, I wonder what
happened to the SPL. Obviously it's easier on the ears, but there's
something about cranking an amp in a big place full of sweaty people.
I'm sure drummers aren't all that thrilled to be behind the plexi
walls...

THD content: I recently picked up a Hamer Mirage I (Duncan rails, koa
top) that used to belong to Andy Marshall...KILLER guitar for well
under $1k. They didn't sell a whole lot, so they're tough to find
used, but if you get the chance...
Mondoslug1
2003-09-26 04:58:43 UTC
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Post by Odin
First, let me commend Stu and Mike at Fat Sound Guitars (
http://www.fatsoundguitars.com/ ) for their excellent customer service.
They were friendly, helpful and prompt in every aspect of the sale. Their
prices are competitive (much lower than MSRP and comparable to anyone else
online) and their customer service exceeds most others from what I've seen.
The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and
inspected it. Being that it was shipped via UPS, I was looking for damage.
Being that it was shipped via UPS, I found damage. The amplifier chassis
mounts to the back panel with 4 bolts, and the back panel mounts to the
cabinet with 4 wood screws. The amp had been handled in a manner so as to
cause one of the screws holding the back panel (which supports the chassis)
to strip out of the wood where it mounts to the cabinet. This caused the
chassis to be sagging in one spot. I removed the back panel, checked
everything out and reinstalled it. Everything is fine now, although I
should probably add 2 more screws to the back panel to offer additional
support to the chassis. I would prefer to see the chassis supported through
the cabinet top (like a blackface Fender) but it's done like a Vox with the
tubes horizontal. There are arguments for mounting the tubes horizontal and
it's not a big deal, but I think I'll reinforce the chassis mounting.
The fit and finish of the cabinet is excellent. The chassis wiring is
excellent as well. The beauty of a single channel PTP amp like this is that
it is so simple and easy to work on in the unlikely event it ever needs
working on. The components all appear to be high quality and everything is
neatly and securely built.
The controls are basic "plexi" Marshall: Inputs 1 (Hi & LO), Inputs 2
(HI & LO), Normal Loudness, Hi Treble Loudness, Treble, Middle, Bass,
Presence, square "plexi style" red indicator lamp, Standby Switch and Mains
Switch. There is an impedance selector on the underside of the chassis
(4-8-16 Ohms) and 2 speaker inputs. This is obviously the same chassis as
used in the head. The single Celestion G12M (25 watt "greenback") speaker
has a high quality phone plug to connect to the amp. Greg Germino also
included a "jumper" cable made from George L cable with brass connectors to
bridge the channels of the amp. Electro Harmonix tubes.
I fired up the amp, let it get warm and tuned the PRS. Plugged in and
hit the standby switch. My initial impression was that this amp is LOUD.
However, and this is a good thing, all 4 inputs are usable. On a "real"
plexi Marshall the bright input is way too bright and the normal input is
way too muffled and muddy. The Germino is playable into any of the 4
inputs, each sounding a bit different from the others. I bridged the inputs
and plugged into the hi bright input. The amp is very "plexi Marshall"
sounding, which is surprising because it uses 6V6 power tubes. It breaks up
fairly early on the volume knob (around 4) and is very overdriven above 6.
Anything over 8 is too much, and I preferred the volumes on both channels
around 4-6. As with any plexi style amp the 2 volume controls are
interactive. All of the tone controls are also usable, something I can't
say for most "real" Marshall plexi amps. Marshalls controls tend to go from
0-10 with nothing in-between, especially the volume knobs. All controls are
very gradual and usable.
How does it sound? Like a plexi Marshall. Is that good? Yes. And no.
Yes, in that I want a "cranked plexi" sound, but something that I always
struggled with in the older Marshalls is also present here. That is the
"harshness" or brightness that a plexi tends to exhibit when it's cranked
up. I tend to dial in my amps a bit on the dark side and when I listen back
to gig recordings or go out in the audience with the wireless I realize that
I'm lacking some much needed bite in my sound. This amp has got "bite".
I'm not used to it, so I'll have to tweak the controls a bit at the gigs
this weekend to see what I can find. Also, you don't need to run much bass
on this amp because it tends to muddy the sound. It will go from
scream/grind to Marshall clean (not Fender clean) with the volume knob.
The Celestion G12M speaker isn't "broken in" and it shows. These
speakers always sound sweeter when they've been played a bit IMO and I
expect this one to settle in some after this weekend of playing.
I can see where one could easily use nothing but this amp and a guitar
to gig with, no effects, but I wanted to try my pedals through the amp.
Since the amp is already fairly overdriven at gig volumes the Fulldrive II
didn't make a huge difference in gain. The boost feature of the FD2 added
plenty of compression and gain, too much for anything but leads (which is
all I use the boost for). My Fat Boost is the early version designed for
single coils so I rarely use it with the PRS. The new Fat Boost has more
clean boost for humbuckers. The Dyna Comp really works well into this amp
creating endless feedback at will and smooth lead tones. The Germino seems
to take to pedals better than the Dr Z in that the pedals become a part of
the sound with the Germino. With the Dr Z the pedals always seem to color
the sound and seem like they're "on top" of the amp's sound. This might be
due to the fact that the Dr Z is a cleaner sounding amp with less gain. The
Fulldrive II sounds very good with the Germino Masonette, very transparent
and natural.
As a final test I plugged in the Dr Z Maz 38 Senior 2x10 next to the
Germino Masonette 1x12 and hooked them up to an A/B/Y switch. The tonal
difference between the Dr Z and the Germino are startling. The Maz 38 is
much smoother and cleaner while the Masonette is very aggressive and
crunchy. This amp makes me think the Dr Z is closer to a Vox than to a
Fender, although the Maz is not very Vox-like IMO. But the Germino is
definitely got the classic Marshall sound. I didn't care for both amps on
at the same time. I don't know that I want to lug both amps to gigs, so I'm
not certain what I'll do at this point. I really need to gig the Germino a
couple of times to get a feel for it (you can't tell much playing alone at
home). If I use the Germino live I may need an attenuator or an overdrive
pedal, because, yes it's that loud.
A review of the amp's performance with the band will follow after this
weekend's gigs.
Oh yeah, it smells like a Marshall or Vox. My Dr Z smells a little like
a Vox. Nothing smells like a Fender except a Fender. I don't know what it
is that causes certain tube amps to have a peculiar smell, but they each
have their own smell once you get the tubes cooking.
Kewl dEwD! Enjoy!



My tunes at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/andymostmusic.htm
Zorro_2K
2003-09-26 17:21:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Odin
First, let me commend Stu and Mike at Fat Sound Guitars (
http://www.fatsoundguitars.com/ ) for their excellent customer service.
They were friendly, helpful and prompt in every aspect of the sale. Their
prices are competitive (much lower than MSRP and comparable to anyone else
online) and their customer service exceeds most others from what I've seen.
Odin, did you ever consider that MSRP is just a fictional reference number,
particularly if the final price was 'comparable' to other dealers.
Post by Odin
The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and
inspected it. Being that it was shipped via UPS, I was looking for damage.
Being that it was shipped via UPS, I found damage. The amplifier chassis
mounts to the back panel with 4 bolts, and the back panel mounts to the
cabinet with 4 wood screws. The amp had been handled in a manner so as to
cause one of the screws holding the back panel (which supports the chassis)
to strip out of the wood where it mounts to the cabinet. This caused the
chassis to be sagging in one spot. I removed the back panel, checked
everything out and reinstalled it. Everything is fine now, although I
should probably add 2 more screws to the back panel to offer additional
support to the chassis. I would prefer to see the chassis supported through
the cabinet top (like a blackface Fender) but it's done like a Vox with the
tubes horizontal. There are arguments for mounting the tubes horizontal and
it's not a big deal, but I think I'll reinforce the chassis mounting.
You should take pic's, and provide this feedback to Germino. He needs to
know the weak points. thanks goodness my RT. 66 arrived without ANY
problems...and the big KT66's were firm in the sockets.
Post by Odin
The fit and finish of the cabinet is excellent. The chassis wiring is
excellent as well. The beauty of a single channel PTP amp like this is that
it is so simple and easy to work on in the unlikely event it ever needs
working on. The components all appear to be high quality and everything is
neatly and securely built.
The controls are basic "plexi" Marshall: Inputs 1 (Hi & LO), Inputs 2
(HI & LO), Normal Loudness, Hi Treble Loudness, Treble, Middle, Bass,
Presence, square "plexi style" red indicator lamp, Standby Switch and Mains
Switch. There is an impedance selector on the underside of the chassis
(4-8-16 Ohms) and 2 speaker inputs. This is obviously the same chassis as
used in the head. The single Celestion G12M (25 watt "greenback") speaker
has a high quality phone plug to connect to the amp. Greg Germino also
included a "jumper" cable made from George L cable with brass connectors to
bridge the channels of the amp. Electro Harmonix tubes.
So you didn't get an amp with the new BV-series Mojotone speakers, as being
demo'd on the Germino web-site.
Post by Odin
I fired up the amp, let it get warm and tuned the PRS. Plugged in and
hit the standby switch. My initial impression was that this amp is LOUD.
However, and this is a good thing, all 4 inputs are usable. On a "real"
plexi Marshall the bright input is way too bright and the normal input is
way too muffled and muddy. The Germino is playable into any of the 4
inputs, each sounding a bit different from the others. I bridged the inputs
and plugged into the hi bright input. The amp is very "plexi Marshall"
sounding, which is surprising because it uses 6V6 power tubes. It breaks up
fairly early on the volume knob (around 4) and is very overdriven above 6.
Anything over 8 is too much, and I preferred the volumes on both channels
around 4-6. As with any plexi style amp the 2 volume controls are
interactive. All of the tone controls are also usable, something I can't
say for most "real" Marshall plexi amps. Marshalls controls tend to go from
0-10 with nothing in-between, especially the volume knobs. All controls are
very gradual and usable.
Does that mean you will be running at 10-18 watts in your 'preferred tonal
range' ?
Post by Odin
How does it sound? Like a plexi Marshall. Is that good? Yes. And no.
Yes, in that I want a "cranked plexi" sound, but something that I always
struggled with in the older Marshalls is also present here. That is the
"harshness" or brightness that a plexi tends to exhibit when it's cranked
up. I tend to dial in my amps a bit on the dark side and when I listen back
to gig recordings or go out in the audience with the wireless I realize that
I'm lacking some much needed bite in my sound. This amp has got "bite".
I'm not used to it, so I'll have to tweak the controls a bit at the gigs
this weekend to see what I can find. Also, you don't need to run much bass
on this amp because it tends to muddy the sound. It will go from
scream/grind to Marshall clean (not Fender clean) with the volume knob.
The Celestion G12M speaker isn't "broken in" and it shows. These
speakers always sound sweeter when they've been played a bit IMO and I
expect this one to settle in some after this weekend of playing.
I can see where one could easily use nothing but this amp and a guitar
to gig with, no effects, but I wanted to try my pedals through the amp.
Since the amp is already fairly overdriven at gig volumes the Fulldrive II
didn't make a huge difference in gain. The boost feature of the FD2 added
plenty of compression and gain, too much for anything but leads (which is
all I use the boost for). My Fat Boost is the early version designed for
single coils so I rarely use it with the PRS. The new Fat Boost has more
clean boost for humbuckers. The Dyna Comp really works well into this amp
creating endless feedback at will and smooth lead tones. The Germino seems
to take to pedals better than the Dr Z in that the pedals become a part of
the sound with the Germino. With the Dr Z the pedals always seem to color
the sound and seem like they're "on top" of the amp's sound. This might be
due to the fact that the Dr Z is a cleaner sounding amp with less gain.
The
Post by Odin
Fulldrive II sounds very good with the Germino Masonette, very transparent
and natural.
As a final test I plugged in the Dr Z Maz 38 Senior 2x10 next to the
Germino Masonette 1x12 and hooked them up to an A/B/Y switch. The tonal
difference between the Dr Z and the Germino are startling. The Maz 38 is
much smoother and cleaner while the Masonette is very aggressive and
crunchy. This amp makes me think the Dr Z is closer to a Vox than to a
Fender, although the Maz is not very Vox-like IMO. But the Germino is
definitely got the classic Marshall sound. I didn't care for both amps on
at the same time. I don't know that I want to lug both amps to gigs, so I'm
not certain what I'll do at this point. I really need to gig the Germino a
couple of times to get a feel for it (you can't tell much playing alone at
home). If I use the Germino live I may need an attenuator or an overdrive
pedal, because, yes it's that loud.
A review of the amp's performance with the band will follow after this
weekend's gigs.
Oh yeah, it smells like a Marshall or Vox. My Dr Z smells a little like
a Vox. Nothing smells like a Fender except a Fender. I don't know what it
is that causes certain tube amps to have a peculiar smell, but they each
have their own smell once you get the tubes cooking.
I like to spray a little Hugo Boss on my tubes...;-)

Thanks, Odin. GOOD INFO I hope the amp works out for you.
Odin
2003-09-26 18:23:25 UTC
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Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
First, let me commend Stu and Mike at Fat Sound
Guitars (
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
http://www.fatsoundguitars.com/ ) for their excellent
customer service.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
They were friendly, helpful and prompt in every aspect
of the sale. Their
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
prices are competitive (much lower than MSRP and
comparable to anyone else
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
online) and their customer service exceeds most others
from what I've
Post by Zorro_2K
seen.
Odin, did you ever consider that MSRP is just a fictional
reference number,
Post by Zorro_2K
particularly if the final price was 'comparable' to other
dealers.

Yes. I have mucho experience in this area having worked as
a buyer for similar items. But since there are only 7
places to buy a Germino amp (Germino direct and MSRP and 6
dealers who sell at various prices) the MSRP is a little
closer to reality. On a Fender the MSRP is only there to
give Guitar Center something to "mark down" from.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately
unpacked it and
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
inspected it. Being that it was shipped via UPS, I was
looking for
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
damage. Being that it was shipped via UPS, I found
damage. The amplifier
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
chassis mounts to the back panel with 4 bolts, and the
back panel mounts to the
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
cabinet with 4 wood screws. The amp had been handled in
a manner so as to
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
cause one of the screws holding the back panel (which
supports the
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
chassis) to strip out of the wood where it mounts to the
cabinet. This caused the
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
chassis to be sagging in one spot. I removed the back
panel, checked
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
everything out and reinstalled it. Everything is fine
now, although I
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
should probably add 2 more screws to the back panel to
offer additional
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Post by Odin
support to the chassis. I would prefer to see the
chassis supported
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Post by Odin
through the cabinet top (like a blackface Fender) but
it's done like a Vox with
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Post by Odin
the tubes horizontal. There are arguments for mounting
the tubes horizontal
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
and it's not a big deal, but I think I'll reinforce the
chassis mounting.
Post by Zorro_2K
You should take pic's, and provide this feedback to
Germino. He needs to
Post by Zorro_2K
know the weak points. thanks goodness my RT. 66 arrived
without ANY
Post by Zorro_2K
problems...and the big KT66's were firm in the sockets.
I did send Greg some info and I'll snap a digital pic before
I fix it (I'll add 2 additional screws to the back plate for
reinforcements) for reference. The Dr Z stuff is built more
heavy duty than many amps out there, no worries about them.
The only problem I've ever encountered with Dr Z amps is the
cheap adhesive he uses on the tolex. The tolex on the rear
of my KT45 head started to come up and the tolex on the back
panel of my Maz 38 is peeling up around the edges. I just
fix it with some high quality contact adhesive. I think the
stuff Z uses won't handle the heat of the amp because it
always seems to lose adhesion in the back of the amp.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
The fit and finish of the cabinet is excellent. The
chassis wiring is
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Post by Odin
excellent as well. The beauty of a single channel PTP
amp like this is
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
that it is so simple and easy to work on in the unlikely
event it ever needs
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
working on. The components all appear to be high
quality and everything
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
is neatly and securely built.
The controls are basic "plexi" Marshall: Inputs 1
(Hi & LO), Inputs 2
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
(HI & LO), Normal Loudness, Hi Treble Loudness, Treble,
Middle, Bass,
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
Presence, square "plexi style" red indicator lamp,
Standby Switch and
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
Mains Switch. There is an impedance selector on the
underside of the chassis
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Post by Odin
(4-8-16 Ohms) and 2 speaker inputs. This is obviously
the same chassis as
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Post by Odin
used in the head. The single Celestion G12M (25 watt
"greenback") speaker
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
has a high quality phone plug to connect to the amp.
Greg Germino also
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
included a "jumper" cable made from George L cable with
brass connectors
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
to bridge the channels of the amp. Electro Harmonix
tubes.
Post by Zorro_2K
So you didn't get an amp with the new BV-series Mojotone
speakers, as being
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demo'd on the Germino web-site.
No, the Mojotone speakers are "optional" in his cabinets but
all of his combo amps come stock with Celestions. The demos
on his website are demos of the Germino cabinets with
Celestions and Mojos. I always liked the "Greenbacks" for
Marshall amps, although I feel that they need a "break in"
before they start to sound their best.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
I fired up the amp, let it get warm and tuned the
PRS. Plugged in and
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
hit the standby switch. My initial impression was that
this amp is LOUD.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
However, and this is a good thing, all 4 inputs are
usable. On a "real"
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
plexi Marshall the bright input is way too bright and
the normal input is
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
way too muffled and muddy. The Germino is playable into
any of the 4
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
inputs, each sounding a bit different from the others.
I bridged the
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
inputs and plugged into the hi bright input. The amp is
very "plexi Marshall"
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
sounding, which is surprising because it uses 6V6 power
tubes. It breaks
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
up fairly early on the volume knob (around 4) and is
very overdriven above 6.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
Anything over 8 is too much, and I preferred the volumes
on both channels
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Post by Odin
around 4-6. As with any plexi style amp the 2 volume
controls are
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Post by Odin
interactive. All of the tone controls are also usable,
something I can't
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
say for most "real" Marshall plexi amps. Marshalls
controls tend to go
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Post by Odin
from 0-10 with nothing in-between, especially the volume
knobs. All controls
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
are very gradual and usable.
Does that mean you will be running at 10-18 watts in your
'preferred tonal
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range' ?
Probably so, definitely never over about 6 on the volume
knob(s). It's probably putting out around 10-20 watts
depending on how hard I'm running it. Which is damn loud.
It's definitely not a clean headroom type of amp at anything
but the lower volumes, say below 3 on the volume knobs. But
I didn't buy it for clean, and even with the volume knobs
cranked way up it will clean up very well if you back the
guitar volume down to about halfway. Some amps shine in
this area and some don't, the Germino does it very well.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
How does it sound? Like a plexi Marshall. Is that
good? Yes. And
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Post by Odin
no. Yes, in that I want a "cranked plexi" sound, but
something that I always
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
struggled with in the older Marshalls is also present
here. That is the
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
"harshness" or brightness that a plexi tends to exhibit
when it's cranked
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
up. I tend to dial in my amps a bit on the dark side
and when I listen
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
back to gig recordings or go out in the audience with
the wireless I realize
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
that I'm lacking some much needed bite in my sound.
This amp has got "bite".
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
I'm not used to it, so I'll have to tweak the controls a
bit at the gigs
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
this weekend to see what I can find. Also, you don't
need to run much
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
bass on this amp because it tends to muddy the sound.
It will go from
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
scream/grind to Marshall clean (not Fender clean) with
the volume knob.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
The Celestion G12M speaker isn't "broken in" and it
shows. These
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
speakers always sound sweeter when they've been played a
bit IMO and I
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
expect this one to settle in some after this weekend of
playing.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
I can see where one could easily use nothing but
this amp and a guitar
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
to gig with, no effects, but I wanted to try my pedals
through the amp.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
Since the amp is already fairly overdriven at gig
volumes the Fulldrive II
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
didn't make a huge difference in gain. The boost
feature of the FD2 added
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
plenty of compression and gain, too much for anything
but leads (which is
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
all I use the boost for). My Fat Boost is the early
version designed for
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
single coils so I rarely use it with the PRS. The new
Fat Boost has more
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
clean boost for humbuckers. The Dyna Comp really works
well into this amp
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
creating endless feedback at will and smooth lead tones.
The Germino
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
seems to take to pedals better than the Dr Z in that the
pedals become a part of
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
the sound with the Germino. With the Dr Z the pedals
always seem to color
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
the sound and seem like they're "on top" of the amp's
sound. This might
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
be due to the fact that the Dr Z is a cleaner sounding
amp with less gain.
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
The Fulldrive II sounds very good with the Germino
Masonette, very transparent
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
and natural.
As a final test I plugged in the Dr Z Maz 38 Senior
2x10 next to the
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
Germino Masonette 1x12 and hooked them up to an A/B/Y
switch. The tonal
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
difference between the Dr Z and the Germino are
startling. The Maz 38 is
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
much smoother and cleaner while the Masonette is very
aggressive and
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
crunchy. This amp makes me think the Dr Z is closer to
a Vox than to a
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
Fender, although the Maz is not very Vox-like IMO. But
the Germino is
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
definitely got the classic Marshall sound. I didn't
care for both amps on
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
at the same time. I don't know that I want to lug both
amps to gigs, so
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
I'm not certain what I'll do at this point. I really
need to gig the Germino
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
a couple of times to get a feel for it (you can't tell
much playing alone at
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
home). If I use the Germino live I may need an
attenuator or an overdrive
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
pedal, because, yes it's that loud.
A review of the amp's performance with the band will
follow after this
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
weekend's gigs.
Oh yeah, it smells like a Marshall or Vox. My Dr Z
smells a little
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
like a Vox. Nothing smells like a Fender except a
Fender. I don't know what
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
it is that causes certain tube amps to have a peculiar
smell, but they each
Post by Zorro_2K
Post by Odin
have their own smell once you get the tubes cooking.
I like to spray a little Hugo Boss on my tubes...;-)
What, no Old Spice?
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Thanks, Odin. GOOD INFO I hope the amp works out for you.
Time will tell, tonight will be the maiden voyage. It's a
huge change from the Maz 38 and it's a sound that I've been
wanting for a while now. Whether it becomes my main gigging
amp is yet to be determined. My goal is to eventually have
a moderate sized/power "blackface" Fender, "plexi" Marshall
and Vox AC30 type of amplifier. The Dr Z really doesn't fit
into any of those categories, maybe closest to the Vox but
not really. The Germino nails the Marshall. I'll pick up a
blackface Deluxe Reverb some day (or maybe an Allen or other
boo-teek clone) and a Matchless or Bad Cat if not a Vox.
But this is a long term goal, I'm in no hurry to drop that
kind of money on amps right now.
Zorro_2K
2003-09-27 14:55:57 UTC
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Odin, did you ever consider that MSRP is just a fictional
reference number,
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particularly if the final price was 'comparable' to other
dealers.
The only problem I've ever encountered with Dr Z amps is the
cheap adhesive he uses on the tolex. The tolex on the rear
of my KT45 head started to come up and the tolex on the back
panel of my Maz 38 is peeling up around the edges. I just
fix it with some high quality contact adhesive. I think the
stuff Z uses won't handle the heat of the amp because it
always seems to lose adhesion in the back of the amp.
Yes, I have EXACTLY that problem with the tolex at the rear right side of
the
Rt. 66, and the amp was made in 2001 (s/n L-10188) , according to the Doc.
Like you say, it's a simple fix if you catch it in time.


. My goal is to eventually have
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a moderate sized/power "blackface" Fender, "plexi" Marshall
and Vox AC30 type of amplifier. The Dr Z really doesn't fit
into any of those categories, maybe closest to the Vox but
not really. The Germino nails the Marshall. I'll pick up a
blackface Deluxe Reverb some day (or maybe an Allen ...
Allen has changed the entire format of his Accomplice amp, which is
20-30 watts depending upon tubes being run (6V6 or 6L6). Pics are up on his
web-site www.allenamps.com. No more Blues Jr. style kits or chassis.
Odin
2003-09-27 19:50:42 UTC
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. My goal is to eventually have
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a moderate sized/power "blackface" Fender, "plexi" Marshall
and Vox AC30 type of amplifier. The Dr Z really doesn't fit
into any of those categories, maybe closest to the Vox but
not really. The Germino nails the Marshall. I'll pick up a
blackface Deluxe Reverb some day (or maybe an Allen ...
Allen has changed the entire format of his Accomplice amp, which is
20-30 watts depending upon tubes being run (6V6 or 6L6). Pics are up on his
web-site www.allenamps.com. No more Blues Jr. style kits or chassis.
JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have anything to
trade.
Zorro_2K
2003-09-27 20:29:57 UTC
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. My goal is to eventually have
Post by Odin
a moderate sized/power "blackface" Fender, "plexi" Marshall
and Vox AC30 type of amplifier. The Dr Z really doesn't fit
into any of those categories, maybe closest to the Vox but
not really. The Germino nails the Marshall. I'll pick up a
blackface Deluxe Reverb some day (or maybe an Allen ...
Allen has changed the entire format of his Accomplice amp, which is
20-30 watts depending upon tubes being run (6V6 or 6L6). Pics are up on
his
Post by Odin
web-site www.allenamps.com. No more Blues Jr. style kits or chassis.
JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have anything to
trade.
How about.....CASH ? Trade CASH for it.
Odin
2003-09-27 20:33:26 UTC
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JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have
anything
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to
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trade.
How about.....CASH ? Trade CASH for it.
I've traded enough cash lately to last me for a while. Unless I hit it big
in a few weeks when we go gambling again.
Zorro_2K
2003-09-28 12:17:21 UTC
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JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have
anything
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to
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trade.
How about.....CASH ? Trade CASH for it.
I've traded enough cash lately to last me for a while. Unless I hit it big
in a few weeks when we go gambling again.
You could be in Shreveport by this afternoon....
Odin
2003-09-28 17:56:07 UTC
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How about.....CASH ? Trade CASH for it.
I've traded enough cash lately to last me for a while. Unless I hit it
big in a few weeks when we go gambling again.
You could be in Shreveport by this afternoon....
It's one in the afternoon and I just got out of bed. After I shower and eat
lunch it will be after 2. By the time I got there it would be 5 or later
(if I took the bike and hauled ass). Actually, sounds like a decent plan.
But I think I'll wait a couple of weeks, I like to stay a couple of days
when I gamble and I got things to do this week.
howldog
2003-09-29 14:34:37 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:56:07 GMT, "Odin"
" I got things to do this week.
from honeymoon, to honeydoo.
Odin
2003-09-29 14:47:36 UTC
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" I got things to do this week.
from honeymoon, to honeydoo.
Nah, not that kinda stuff. But I need to actually go to work and earn
a few bucks. I don't enjoy it but every now and then it's necessary.
Plus I need to take my truck in for an oil change and tire rotation
and get it washed (it's been covered in dirt and bird shit for over a
month) and change the fluids on the bike. And clean off the junk
shelf, er...boat so I can take it out. Maintenance week.

Zorro_2K
2003-09-28 12:15:21 UTC
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JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have
anything
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to
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trade.
How about.....CASH ? Trade CASH for it.
I've traded enough cash lately to last me for a while. Unless I hit it big
in a few weeks when we go gambling again.
I've been watching that WTP from LV. It's not the game, it's the bluff...or
rather the game IS the bluff.
Odin
2003-09-28 17:54:11 UTC
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How about.....CASH ? Trade CASH for it.
I've traded enough cash lately to last me for a while. Unless I hit it
big
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in a few weeks when we go gambling again.
I've been watching that WTP from LV. It's not the game, it's the bluff...or
rather the game IS the bluff.
With Texas Hold 'Em it's all about the bluff. Unfortunately, in Shreveport
it usually takes about a 6-7 hour wait to get on a poker table, and then
you're crowded around a cramped table with 9 other shitbirds who are all
smoking like chimneys and rubbing elbows with you. I can ply poker in Vegas
but in Louisiana it's a much different game. Also, what you're watching on
TV is "no limit" poker and casino poker almost always has blinds/limits, so
the bluff element changes dramatically when you can't go "all in".
Nobody
2003-09-28 01:40:17 UTC
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. My goal is to eventually have
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a moderate sized/power "blackface" Fender, "plexi" Marshall
and Vox AC30 type of amplifier. The Dr Z really doesn't fit
into any of those categories, maybe closest to the Vox but
not really. The Germino nails the Marshall. I'll pick up a
blackface Deluxe Reverb some day (or maybe an Allen ...
Allen has changed the entire format of his Accomplice amp, which is
20-30 watts depending upon tubes being run (6V6 or 6L6). Pics are up on
his
Post by Odin
web-site www.allenamps.com. No more Blues Jr. style kits or chassis.
JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have anything to
trade.
I bet you are eyeballing one of those two G&Ls right about now.."...hmm...which one do I *really* need?!"
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Odin
2003-09-28 08:21:23 UTC
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Post by Odin
JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have anything to
trade.
I bet you are eyeballing one of those two G&Ls right about
now.."...hmm...which one do I *really* need?!"

Except I played the Z3 last night (and liked it) and played the Thinline for
the first time in forever tonight (and liked it) so I think they both stay
for now.
Mike McKernan
2003-09-28 14:01:06 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:21:23 GMT, "Odin"
Post by Odin
Except I played the Z3 last night (and liked it) and played the Thinline for
the first time in forever tonight (and liked it) so I think they both stay
for now.
Careful, there, Odin, it's a slippery slope. A couple of years ago I
purged my meager collection, deciding I'd only keep the ones that got
played regularly...I now have 6 electric "keepers", and I'm picking up
#7 at the factory on Thursday...plus a bass, plus an acoustic...
Odin
2003-09-28 17:57:33 UTC
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Except I played the Z3 last night (and liked it) and played the Thinline for
the first time in forever tonight (and liked it) so I think they both stay
for now.
Careful, there, Odin, it's a slippery slope. A couple of years ago I
purged my meager collection, deciding I'd only keep the ones that got
played regularly...I now have 6 electric "keepers", and I'm picking up
#7 at the factory on Thursday...plus a bass, plus an acoustic...
I was enjoying the fact that I only carried 1 guitar to gigs for the past
year. Suddenly I find myself enjoying the versatility and now I'll be back
to lugging more gear. Damn. And I'm talking about a nice acoustic with
electronics for stage use.
Nobody
2003-09-28 14:59:56 UTC
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JAZ has the perfect amp up for trades right now and I don't have
anything to
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trade.
I bet you are eyeballing one of those two G&Ls right about
now.."...hmm...which one do I *really* need?!"
Except I played the Z3 last night (and liked it) and played the Thinline for
the first time in forever tonight (and liked it) so I think they both stay
for now.
Well, nothing wrong with that either.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Ron Thompson
2003-09-26 20:39:33 UTC
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The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and...
Hey nice review. I hope it goes good on the weekend!
--
rct
The opinions above are mine and mine alone.
Odin
2003-09-26 23:38:04 UTC
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Post by Ron Thompson
The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and...
Hey nice review. I hope it goes good on the weekend!
Thanks, me too. I'm fighting a hellacious sinus infection and feel like
shit, hopefully the steroids I started yesterday will kick in and I'll get
over this shit in a hurry, but tonight I'll be dragging ass for sure.
Hopefully I don't play like I feel.
Nobody
2003-09-27 07:13:42 UTC
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Post by Ron Thompson
The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and...
Hey nice review. I hope it goes good on the weekend!
Thanks, me too. I'm fighting a hellacious sinus infection and feel like
shit, hopefully the steroids I started yesterday will kick in and I'll get
over this shit in a hurry, but tonight I'll be dragging ass for sure.
Hopefully I don't play like I feel.
Advil Cold & Sinus works great in conjunction with your meds for headaches and sinus pain.
--
Jason
http://www.geocities.com/nobody_upstairs
Odin
2003-09-27 08:56:42 UTC
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Post by Odin
Post by Ron Thompson
The Germino arrived via UPS today. I immediately unpacked it and...
Hey nice review. I hope it goes good on the weekend!
Thanks, me too. I'm fighting a hellacious sinus infection and feel like
shit, hopefully the steroids I started yesterday will kick in and I'll get
over this shit in a hurry, but tonight I'll be dragging ass for sure.
Hopefully I don't play like I feel.
Advil Cold & Sinus works great in conjunction with your meds for headaches and sinus pain.
I've been alternating Advil and Benadryl with the steroids. The scrip meds
seem to have taken effect quickly, as I was able to get my drunk on and feel
good tonight (I'm not on good terms with my immune system) and I feel fine.
I'll take my meds and hit the sack for about 12 hours and wake up feeling
99% and ready to eat some Mexican food and do my Saturday gig. Might even
get a few hours riding in there since it's been 90 degrees and sunny lately.
Gotta try to dig the boat out of the garage and maybe catch some bass on
Sunday (if I get out of bed before noon).
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